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Re: Something that baffles me, regarding Michigan (1.50 / 4)

Why did Obama encourage his supporters to vote undecided in Michigan, even though he voluntarily took his name off the Michigan ballot. Why did Obama campaign in Florida? Listen up. Obama made a poor political calculation based on pinning his hopes on Iowa and ignoring Michigan. I guess if you've got the inside line to the DNC and they're telling you we'll take care of Michigan for you, you take your name off the ballot. So, are you saying all those people who voted for Obama in Florida should have just stayed hope and listened to the authorities that their votes were meaningless. In Florida? You're kidding, right?
by Jeter on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:33:29 PM EST

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I'm not sure what  you mean by "poor political calculation" as MI doesn't count.


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by heresjohnny on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:37:44 PM EST
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Thanks for your reply. Is there any reason why you didn't answer my question?


by vermontprog on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:40:45 PM EST
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Wait, you think Obama campaigned in Florida? So you're actually advocating that Florida secede from the Union? Interesting! That's what the national networks said it would take for his NATIONAL ad not to play in Florida.


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by terra on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:46:31 PM EST
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Why did Obama encourage his supporters to vote undecided in Michigan

Link me to a quote of Obama or any official campaign communication encouraging his supporters to vote uncommitted in Michigan, or retract the claim.


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by mistersite on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:49:07 PM EST
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There wasn't one. (none / 0)

What he said is just a talking point.  To my knowledge, the vote uncommitted movement was grassroots based.  I know a couple of people who made signs themselves and put them out at polling places in their county.


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by you like it on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:55:06 PM EST
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Congressman John Conyers was big in the vote uncommited movement in Michigan.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art icle?AID=/20080115/POLITICS01/801150390

Last week, Rep. John Conyers Jr., a Detroit Democrat who supports Obama, began running radio commercials imploring party members to vote uncommitted.


by jaydub799 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 08:45:40 AM EST
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I don't think you've answered the question.


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by spacemanspiff on Sat May 17, 2008 at 03:03:44 PM EST
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"Why did Obama encourage his supporters to vote undecided in Michigan"

Because CLINTON BROKE HER PLEDGE. If she hadn't broken her pledge, then she wouldn't be on the ballot, and the uncommitted vote would be meaningless, because both Obama and Clinton voters would be voting it.

Because if Obama hadn't done so, then you'd be claiming 95% of the vote from Michigan and 95% of the Michigan delegates, and you'd be fucking up the rules even more for your benefit.

Because then Clinton's deceit and lies and her broken pledges would have benefited her even more.

I'm tired of this whole piece of intellectual dishonesty, all originating from Clinton's broken pledge, from Clinton's disgustingly obscene lies and flip-flopping attitude.

She pledged not to participate, then you have the audacity to complain about other people not handing her 100% of the Michigan delegates she attempted to cheat?

The thief complains about not stealing all of the booty rather than just 55% of it?


by Aris Katsaris on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:02:45 PM EST
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Thank you for at least being honest. You're saying that Obama did support people voting undecided in the Michigan Primary? Good. A simple Google (or use whatever search engine you like) will readily come up with Obama discussing the issue. I'm not anyone's librarian, to those asking for links. Your all CAPS response as to why Clinton left her name (as did Kucinich, etc.) was really off base, however. Google why she said, way before Michigan voted in their "meaningless" election, she was keeping her name on the ballot. It's a pretty laudable reason if you ask me, and others have agreed. I'm sorry if it annoys a few Obama supporters, but if there is going to be unity and cooperation amongst Democrats, Obama supporters have got to stop denying that they are still running an active campaign as well. Both campaigns did some gnarly things. This effort of especiallycriticizing Clinton is just patronizing. I think there has been an issue associated with that particular attitude. And Obama's planned stop in Iowa before voting in the primaries has completed is going to go down badly.
by Jeter on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:41:30 PM EST
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Re: Something that baffles me, regarding Michigan (none / 0)

No, you know what - it's as simple as this:

If you are counting Michigan in any argument concerning popular vote or concerning the "will of the people" or whatever, and you're giving 0 votes to Obama (not even the uncommited ones), then you're simply not worth talking to.

As such the entire Clinton campaign and all their hardcore fans on the Internet, have officially stopped being worth talking to, as they're all claiming she's the popular vote winner.

There's no further point discussing people as fundamentally dishonest with that -- my discussion of pledges and rules, and the very meaning of democracy is meaningless and wasted. Not with people who are counting Michigan in a popular vote tally and are giving 0 votes to Obama.

So this is the end: From now on, I won't be attempting to discuss with you, I'll just be mocking you. You people don't deserve anything better.


by Aris Katsaris on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:56:53 PM EST
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